Very good. The leaders of modern "civilization" are in complete denial of reality. The Limits of Growth study is something most are completely unaware of. It's not like governments and the media wishes to share such information. Not many are clued in to reality.
As with the heliocentric model and evolution - humans don't like being told they aren't special :) I'm just glad LTG is getting some press now. We can't prevent collapse, but at least some portion of society can access a chart that fleshes out their otherwise-vague, instinctual sense
Another thing I found fascinating about the collapse cult I how the Nobel savage myth has been so ingrained into its worldview. Like you do know enslaved people made up one fourth of the population of Pacific Northwest native tribes. The abundance of fishing resources actually allowed them to have the wealth accumulation to have things like an aristocracy and permanent settlements.
And the whole thing with the Windego is even worth. It’s not an indigenous spirt it’s a mythological being of Algonquin lore a monster of who literary eats people. Infant people have been murdered over allegations that they were windego. But hey this doesn’t matter because the reality and diversity of hunter gather cultures isn’t what’s important here. Rather its the idealized idea of them held by the members of the collapse and how this fiction can be worked into you're eschatology.
The most important concept here is that empire-based human societies (civilizations) rely on a resource-access strategy (insofar as it’s oriented around expansion and maximal resource extraction) that is definitely inevitably irredeemably destined for burnout on a relatively short time-scale.
To the extent that any society/community does this to a lesser extent, they have lower resource requirements and therefore at least the potential for longevity (assuming no insatiable culture (civilization) shows up to assimilate/annihilate them). Some of them even embrace perspectives and practices that deliberately / are geared toward promoting restraint.
None of that is to say that societies that exist beyond our civilization are noble or infallible by our ethical standards.
Wetiko / wendigo - Okay, so it's a monster, not a spirit. My point is that our society is possessed by a driving force that has led it into deep doodoo and our culture (namely our survival method) cannot / will not endure. And many people -including of Algonquin background- seem to agree that it's a darn good fiction that can be worked into eschatology: https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/more-monsters-deeper-significance-wendigo-stories
No the collapesenik community absolutely applies the noble savage trope to hunter gatherer peoples. I.E they idea that they all lived peaceful egalitarian lives in tune with nature. Something which is pretty far off from how they exist in reality. Combined with the demonization of modernity by people who sure do love engaging in intellectualism and internet use all products of it. Going further they lump all this groups together using them as a symbol of purity to contrast with the moralized wickedness of modernity.
It’s all just so hypocritical and Orientalist. And then they have the audacity to post heaps and heaps of misinformation around and demonize anybody and everybody who’s actually working to improve the situation all from the comfort of their armchair.
Very good. The leaders of modern "civilization" are in complete denial of reality. The Limits of Growth study is something most are completely unaware of. It's not like governments and the media wishes to share such information. Not many are clued in to reality.
As with the heliocentric model and evolution - humans don't like being told they aren't special :) I'm just glad LTG is getting some press now. We can't prevent collapse, but at least some portion of society can access a chart that fleshes out their otherwise-vague, instinctual sense
So clear, thank you. I had to look up BAU. I don't think I've ever seen that acronym!
will add clarification above too! I've been noticing other little improvements I could make. I guess one final full review is due, eventually!
Another thing I found fascinating about the collapse cult I how the Nobel savage myth has been so ingrained into its worldview. Like you do know enslaved people made up one fourth of the population of Pacific Northwest native tribes. The abundance of fishing resources actually allowed them to have the wealth accumulation to have things like an aristocracy and permanent settlements.
And the whole thing with the Windego is even worth. It’s not an indigenous spirt it’s a mythological being of Algonquin lore a monster of who literary eats people. Infant people have been murdered over allegations that they were windego. But hey this doesn’t matter because the reality and diversity of hunter gather cultures isn’t what’s important here. Rather its the idealized idea of them held by the members of the collapse and how this fiction can be worked into you're eschatology.
The most important concept here is that empire-based human societies (civilizations) rely on a resource-access strategy (insofar as it’s oriented around expansion and maximal resource extraction) that is definitely inevitably irredeemably destined for burnout on a relatively short time-scale.
To the extent that any society/community does this to a lesser extent, they have lower resource requirements and therefore at least the potential for longevity (assuming no insatiable culture (civilization) shows up to assimilate/annihilate them). Some of them even embrace perspectives and practices that deliberately / are geared toward promoting restraint.
None of that is to say that societies that exist beyond our civilization are noble or infallible by our ethical standards.
Wetiko / wendigo - Okay, so it's a monster, not a spirit. My point is that our society is possessed by a driving force that has led it into deep doodoo and our culture (namely our survival method) cannot / will not endure. And many people -including of Algonquin background- seem to agree that it's a darn good fiction that can be worked into eschatology: https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/more-monsters-deeper-significance-wendigo-stories
No the collapesenik community absolutely applies the noble savage trope to hunter gatherer peoples. I.E they idea that they all lived peaceful egalitarian lives in tune with nature. Something which is pretty far off from how they exist in reality. Combined with the demonization of modernity by people who sure do love engaging in intellectualism and internet use all products of it. Going further they lump all this groups together using them as a symbol of purity to contrast with the moralized wickedness of modernity.
It’s all just so hypocritical and Orientalist. And then they have the audacity to post heaps and heaps of misinformation around and demonize anybody and everybody who’s actually working to improve the situation all from the comfort of their armchair.